WEBVTT 1 00:00:04.600 --> 00:00:23.940 MTS - Video: Hello, and welcome to the CCNSO Guidelines Review Committee session. My name is Claudia Ruiz, and I, along with my colleague, Joke Brecken, are the remote participation managers for this session. Please note, this session is being recorded and is governed by the ICANN Community Participant Code of Conduct. 2 00:00:24.450 --> 00:00:25.679 MTS - Video: I don't know what happened. 3 00:00:27.540 --> 00:00:34.720 MTS - Video: There we go. The ICANN Expected Standards of Behavior and the ICANN Community Anti-Harassment Policy. 4 00:00:34.720 --> 00:00:49.050 MTS - Video: Please observe the following guidelines to participate in this session. They will be posted in the chat for your reference. 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Thank you very much, and with that, I will hand the floor over to Sean Copeland, Chair of the GRC. 8 00:01:19.550 --> 00:01:27.259 MTS - Video: Thank you so much, Claudia, and welcome everyone to Bali and the October 17th, 2026 edition of the GRC. 9 00:01:27.500 --> 00:01:36.489 MTS - Video: There's a couple things that we have to go over today, hopefully. And first off, does anybody have an update to their SOI? 10 00:01:37.810 --> 00:01:39.260 MTS - Video: Always good news. 11 00:01:39.330 --> 00:01:57.190 MTS - Video: A little bit of housekeeping. This morning in the Council prep, there was conversation about, our appointment procedures, and this may or may not come to us. We'll find out after Council, on Thursday. 12 00:01:57.250 --> 00:02:08.879 MTS - Video: If you want to pre-read it, look at section 8.4. Again, it may come to us and it may not. It was a lively discussion though that took place. 13 00:02:09.180 --> 00:02:16.949 MTS - Video: So, moving on from that, if you're looking at the agenda, we're going to continue on the continuous improvement, implementation. 14 00:02:17.070 --> 00:02:20.350 MTS - Video: If you want to go to the next slide, Claudia. 15 00:02:22.860 --> 00:02:26.949 MTS - Video: So Bart, as a last service of of. 16 00:02:28.390 --> 00:02:30.350 MTS - Video: That's out of whack for my slides. 17 00:02:30.910 --> 00:02:32.030 MTS - Video: That's okay. 18 00:02:35.190 --> 00:02:40.760 MTS - Video: Give me a sec. Can you go to… or bring up… 19 00:02:41.020 --> 00:02:43.509 MTS - Video: the actual document that Bart did. 20 00:02:44.560 --> 00:02:45.430 MTS - Video: Thank you. 21 00:02:47.920 --> 00:03:02.689 MTS - Video: So just for background, as Claudia is doing that, Barda, as his last act of service to this committee, put together an amalgamation from our final call with him of what the current 22 00:03:02.890 --> 00:03:04.280 MTS - Video: Progress had been. 23 00:03:04.390 --> 00:03:13.989 MTS - Video: I shared that with you guys last night. Irina and Pablo will have seen it about a week and a half ago. So we're going to go through that. 24 00:03:37.900 --> 00:03:39.349 MTS - Video: Yeah, this is the one. 25 00:03:40.370 --> 00:03:42.060 MTS - Video: Can you guys all read that okay? 26 00:03:44.160 --> 00:03:54.870 MTS - Video: All right, excellent. When you're looking at this, I want you to consider, if what we have put in here is practical. 27 00:03:55.260 --> 00:04:13.119 MTS - Video: And I want you to also think about the effort that is involved. We are very well aware that there is change within the CCNSO and the Secretariat, and, you know, we don't want to overburden, but we also want to have a program that is successful. 28 00:04:13.530 --> 00:04:17.090 MTS - Video: So If you can scroll down, Claudia… 29 00:04:20.630 --> 00:04:22.709 MTS - Video: So, this shows you… 30 00:04:23.130 --> 00:04:35.539 MTS - Video: generally what the layout of the document now looks like. This has been a continuation and an evolution of the document that we've been working on for some time. Next page. 31 00:04:40.630 --> 00:04:55.149 MTS - Video: This here is showing you the results of the work that was done at the last call with Bart. You'll see, of course, the indicators being adjusted. The conversation is that we had is reflected within here. 32 00:04:55.270 --> 00:04:58.079 MTS - Video: Next page. 33 00:05:01.190 --> 00:05:07.670 MTS - Video: So, all of this really is about the rationalization of the continuous improvement program. 34 00:05:08.130 --> 00:05:24.299 MTS - Video: And, you can actually see, if you remember how the document started, they're very, very long. There has been a lot of rationalization, and this should actually make for the workload to be, more efficient, while giving us 35 00:05:24.770 --> 00:05:26.319 MTS - Video: Hopefully really good results. 36 00:05:27.500 --> 00:05:30.299 MTS - Video: So next next page part of it. 37 00:05:31.610 --> 00:05:35.219 MTS - Video: and if I'm going too fast, please please do tell me. 38 00:05:36.760 --> 00:05:41.359 MTS - Video: I'm very used to having Bart's Dulcet tones go through this? 39 00:05:42.160 --> 00:06:00.220 MTS - Video: So, here we start with the final list of indicators, and you'll recall that we decided that Principles 2 and 3 were going to be the test case, and that that would be where Irina and Pablo would put the most effort. 40 00:06:00.580 --> 00:06:02.969 MTS - Video: So you can see that here. 41 00:06:06.420 --> 00:06:08.690 MTS - Video: And also went to the next page. 42 00:06:10.020 --> 00:06:21.129 MTS - Video: And you'll see, of course, the SMART and the SPICE and the binary indicators to those questions. These are all things that we've already pre-decided and have already agreed to at this point. 43 00:06:22.290 --> 00:06:26.399 MTS - Video: So if you scroll down a little bit more to Section 3, 44 00:06:29.430 --> 00:06:31.499 MTS - Video: Yeah, right there. 45 00:06:31.840 --> 00:06:33.919 MTS - Video: Now we're gonna start to do some work. 46 00:06:34.230 --> 00:06:49.419 MTS - Video: So the last time we were here, we had got to, the well use slash productive, component. You'll see it is marked out in green and related to template F. Claudia, if you slide up a little bit more. 47 00:06:49.920 --> 00:06:56.420 MTS - Video: So, we're actually going to start now with The terms that are outstanding. 48 00:06:56.570 --> 00:07:04.690 MTS - Video: And the very first one there is a survey reporting rule that applies to 3.22 and 3.24. 49 00:07:04.920 --> 00:07:16.070 MTS - Video: And as you can read on the screen, a report… report a result only with at least 8 responses below that pool and mark indicative, meaning that 50 00:07:16.160 --> 00:07:32.100 MTS - Video: It's not… it's not high confidence, just because it's below 8. Response rate floor, 30%, dropped because attendance is not captured. Basically saying, if we get less than. 51 00:07:32.200 --> 00:07:39.840 MTS - Video: 2.5 responses, the survey result is not good enough for us to use. We have no confidence in it. 52 00:07:41.190 --> 00:07:50.020 MTS - Video: on this one. Open the floor. Let's have a discussion about it before we actually do a vote to say yes or no to the definition. 53 00:07:56.750 --> 00:08:04.330 MTS - Video: Okay, if there's no comments, then can you guys do a green check on your… Zoom? 54 00:08:07.350 --> 00:08:09.930 MTS - Video: Or check or thumbs up in the room, yeah. 55 00:08:12.550 --> 00:08:15.790 MTS - Video: And now I think I'm having the problem that AJ had. 56 00:08:15.900 --> 00:08:19.740 MTS - Video: earlier today. I can't see the results on my screen. Oh. 57 00:08:24.990 --> 00:08:25.790 MTS - Video: Oh. 58 00:08:27.910 --> 00:08:28.989 MTS - Video: Do it that way. 59 00:08:38.650 --> 00:08:39.380 MTS - Video: Don't know. 60 00:08:44.790 --> 00:08:46.970 MTS - Video: I'm going to say that the Greens have it. 61 00:08:48.520 --> 00:08:49.200 MTS - Video: Yep. 62 00:08:50.350 --> 00:08:51.170 MTS - Video: Okay. 63 00:08:53.660 --> 00:08:54.630 MTS - Video: All right. 64 00:08:54.820 --> 00:08:58.249 MTS - Video: We'll make that adjustment to make that as an agreed status. 65 00:08:58.720 --> 00:09:07.439 MTS - Video: So then we come up to our next one, the semesterly updates. This applies to 3.11. So 66 00:09:07.740 --> 00:09:13.559 MTS - Video: at least one document update of the priority record in each half of the reporting period. 67 00:09:13.950 --> 00:09:15.750 MTS - Video: That sounds like a mouthful, doesn't it? 68 00:09:16.920 --> 00:09:19.299 MTS - Video: What you're looking at here is… 69 00:09:20.530 --> 00:09:24.109 MTS - Video: semesterly. Did something actually get updated or not? 70 00:09:25.420 --> 00:09:27.170 MTS - Video: In the reporting period. 71 00:09:28.640 --> 00:09:29.940 MTS - Video: Go ahead, Pablo. 72 00:09:34.790 --> 00:09:36.120 MTS - Video: Microphone. 73 00:09:38.960 --> 00:09:46.470 MTS - Video: Thanks. As I was looking at it, as you said, not only is it a mouthful, but I was trying to understand 74 00:09:46.680 --> 00:09:49.739 MTS - Video: Exactly what are we talking about here? 75 00:09:52.080 --> 00:10:00.400 MTS - Video: No, fair enough, fair enough. There's probably a better way to… to express that. I second Paba. 76 00:10:04.560 --> 00:10:17.810 MTS - Video: Alright. I'll I'll tell you what I will take that, and I will see if I can come up with a little bit better wordsmithing overnight. If that's all right with the rest of you guys, unless you guys want to do it now. Peter Irina. 77 00:10:18.040 --> 00:10:18.990 MTS - Video: Pablo. 78 00:10:21.970 --> 00:10:35.439 MTS - Video: Sean, maybe it would be helpful to… to read what the indicator is, so we know what we are referring to, I guess that would land it better. So, the indicator. 79 00:10:35.540 --> 00:10:52.169 MTS - Video: 3, 1, 1. It's percentage of active structures have a documented priority record updated at least semesterly and accessible to members. So that is the semesterly update we are talking about. 80 00:10:59.230 --> 00:11:01.070 MTS - Video: That's on page 5, Pablo. 81 00:11:02.310 --> 00:11:03.899 MTS - Video: What is documented? 82 00:11:04.070 --> 00:11:08.749 MTS - Video: In one of each of those halves of the semester? 83 00:11:09.430 --> 00:11:13.450 MTS - Video: How… how would… I'm still lost. Yes. 84 00:11:15.760 --> 00:11:19.339 MTS - Video: I think it's… I think it's one each semester, yes. 85 00:11:23.250 --> 00:11:27.440 MTS - Video: Irina? Semester is how many months? 86 00:11:32.510 --> 00:11:35.339 MTS - Video: I feel like we're back in high school. 87 00:11:37.610 --> 00:11:39.620 MTS - Video: So, Peter, go ahead. 88 00:11:40.650 --> 00:11:46.580 MTS - Video: Thanks, Sean. This is Peter for the record. Yeah, the semester is, probably planting… 89 00:11:46.860 --> 00:12:01.179 MTS - Video: certain time spans in people's heads that aren't congruent, but the explanation is clear. I was wondering what update means. Can… is update… does update imply a change, or is it that 90 00:12:01.960 --> 00:12:14.069 MTS - Video: the committee goes and says, well, no progress. And I understand that the idea is… I assume the idea is to measure progress here, progress reflected by the update. 91 00:12:14.550 --> 00:12:26.450 MTS - Video: of the document. But again, what's… what's an update? Just a new timestamp, or do people have to move something forward? You know, I live in a compliance world these days, and I get very… 92 00:12:26.770 --> 00:12:30.409 MTS - Video: ingenious when you… I have to follow those rules. 93 00:12:32.880 --> 00:12:34.079 MTS - Video: Pablo, go ahead. 94 00:12:35.060 --> 00:12:40.469 MTS - Video: I would think, as you rightly noted, that ideally. 95 00:12:40.660 --> 00:12:46.559 MTS - Video: It should be moving the ball forward. Nevertheless, it could be also that 96 00:12:47.230 --> 00:12:55.090 MTS - Video: In that particular semester, the ball didn't move forward, and all it means is a stamp that, yes, we looked at it. 97 00:12:55.630 --> 00:12:59.299 MTS - Video: We couldn't move forward, but we did look at it. 98 00:13:01.350 --> 00:13:02.360 MTS - Video: Aj. 99 00:13:03.370 --> 00:13:09.929 MTS - Video: Well, looking at the indicator, it's supposed to be on the binary side, like as in 100 00:13:10.970 --> 00:13:21.140 MTS - Video: Do we have it? Do we not have it? And the update could be no update as well, as seen just that there is a semesterly check. 101 00:13:21.240 --> 00:13:35.020 MTS - Video: As in, okay, do we need to update our priorities now? Are we on track? And if the response is no, we don't need to update because that's the way we want to continue, that's the update, as in. 102 00:13:35.320 --> 00:13:42.749 MTS - Video: no need to add anything or to change anything of the current priority. Does that make sense? 103 00:13:44.710 --> 00:13:50.459 MTS - Video: Yeah, yeah, thanks. I thought I had strange thoughts, but, it's… 104 00:13:51.260 --> 00:13:55.790 MTS - Video: I think we have more. There are more people like that. No, that's fine for me. Thank you. 105 00:13:57.350 --> 00:14:03.179 MTS - Video: Would you guys be comfortable then to actually vote on this as as the language? Or do you want the language adjusted? 106 00:14:06.570 --> 00:14:11.629 MTS - Video: Can we maybe change the the headline or the whatever you call the 1st column. 107 00:14:12.800 --> 00:14:16.409 MTS - Video: Just so that semesterly is not confusing people. 108 00:14:17.540 --> 00:14:24.539 MTS - Video: Sure. Is this something that we could table to Pablo and Irina and your workforce to do? 109 00:14:29.850 --> 00:14:37.420 MTS - Video: Okay, then we will go ahead and vote on the the term with the understanding that semesterly will be changed to something a little less 110 00:14:40.160 --> 00:14:42.029 MTS - Video: Meaningful in different ways. 111 00:14:43.260 --> 00:14:46.670 MTS - Video: So, if you guys could give me your green ticks… 112 00:14:48.330 --> 00:14:50.250 MTS - Video: Or thumbs up if you're in the room? 113 00:14:52.620 --> 00:14:56.340 MTS - Video: And any red for people that are disagreeing. 114 00:15:05.360 --> 00:15:07.510 MTS - Video: And I will say the green checks have it. 115 00:15:09.110 --> 00:15:11.860 MTS - Video: So, again, to 3.11. 116 00:15:12.820 --> 00:15:16.550 MTS - Video: Basically, the accessible… accessible to members. 117 00:15:16.560 --> 00:15:36.299 MTS - Video: This obviously is a binary, position that is either published on the website, so language that's published on the website, or wiki publicly, or behind the member's login, so the information is available to members of the CCNSO. I think this is pretty benign, and that we can probably agree to this, but… 118 00:15:36.350 --> 00:15:38.610 MTS - Video: Open the floor. Any questions? 119 00:15:38.820 --> 00:15:39.720 MTS - Video: Comments. 120 00:15:44.120 --> 00:15:45.200 MTS - Video: All right. 121 00:15:45.870 --> 00:15:51.570 MTS - Video: Green checks. If you are in favor, red checks, if you are not, or thumbs up if you're in the room. 122 00:15:59.840 --> 00:16:02.399 MTS - Video: Excellent. We're making really good progress. 123 00:16:03.260 --> 00:16:10.970 MTS - Video: Next term is current charter. It relates to 2.2 1 124 00:16:11.820 --> 00:16:14.659 MTS - Video: 2.21 if you were looking in the… 125 00:16:15.290 --> 00:16:22.469 MTS - Video: Books is 100% of active work groups and committees have a current council-approved charter with a purpose statement and measurable goals. 126 00:16:23.290 --> 00:16:25.450 MTS - Video: So, measurable goals. 127 00:16:25.930 --> 00:16:30.850 MTS - Video: means a goal stated with an observable output or result in a timeframe. 128 00:16:31.230 --> 00:16:36.490 MTS - Video: Any discussion on that? Not Did I skip one? 129 00:16:37.760 --> 00:16:41.419 MTS - Video: Okay, I'll come back to current charter. I apologize. 130 00:16:43.960 --> 00:16:49.109 MTS - Video: in terms of the measurable goal. Are we content to go to a vote on that? 131 00:16:51.130 --> 00:16:51.880 MTS - Video: Okay. 132 00:16:52.260 --> 00:16:53.889 MTS - Video: I'll take that as a yes. 133 00:16:54.040 --> 00:16:57.540 MTS - Video: So green checks or thumbs up. Yay. 134 00:16:59.960 --> 00:17:01.769 MTS - Video: And now I'll go backwards. 135 00:17:02.060 --> 00:17:05.619 MTS - Video: And go to current charter, also 2.21. 136 00:17:05.849 --> 00:17:17.080 MTS - Video: Having read you out 2.21, I won't read that out again. The terminology is the latest Council approved version approved or reconfirmed by Council within the last three years. 137 00:17:17.910 --> 00:17:22.030 MTS - Video: For current charter. Does anyone have any discussion on that? 138 00:17:22.180 --> 00:17:23.220 MTS - Video: Aj. 139 00:17:24.940 --> 00:17:25.930 MTS - Video: Bam. 140 00:17:26.280 --> 00:17:45.699 MTS - Video: I know we aim to have reviews of the groups as often as possible, but right now we have charters that are old, and older than 3 years. That doesn't mean that they are not, valid. 141 00:17:45.970 --> 00:17:58.509 MTS - Video: So, to me, the… I don't think we need to put a time limit. As long as they are council approved, that's the… That's the version that counts, doesn't it? 142 00:18:03.220 --> 00:18:04.180 MTS - Video: Irina. 143 00:18:05.300 --> 00:18:06.030 MTS - Video: No. 144 00:18:09.830 --> 00:18:15.750 MTS - Video: Yeah, if the Council hasn't changed its mind or updated. 145 00:18:15.860 --> 00:18:19.349 MTS - Video: By definition, you may say that it's rolled over anyways. 146 00:18:20.100 --> 00:18:22.409 MTS - Video: So, that would still be valid. 147 00:18:23.240 --> 00:18:24.690 MTS - Video: Do you want to speak? Yes. 148 00:18:26.050 --> 00:18:28.050 MTS - Video: Steven Derhick, for the record. 149 00:18:28.350 --> 00:18:36.190 MTS - Video: I don't see… Any reason why charters should, go poof after 3 years? 150 00:18:37.080 --> 00:18:42.050 MTS - Video: If it's an active working group or whatever standing committee or whatever. 151 00:18:42.330 --> 00:18:47.920 MTS - Video: I would organize the priority review such that the older ones get dealt with first.st But 152 00:18:48.250 --> 00:18:52.440 MTS - Video: I don't think they come with an expiry date per se. Thank you. 153 00:18:53.170 --> 00:19:09.659 MTS - Video: So if you look at the terminology that Bart left us, I think the key word there is reconfirmed. So it sort of puts it on to Council to say, this is still… there's no change, but we are reconfirming that this is valid, and I think that actually is a reasonable… 154 00:19:09.970 --> 00:19:11.839 MTS - Video: workload on council. 155 00:19:12.810 --> 00:19:14.410 MTS - Video: my opinion. 156 00:19:15.610 --> 00:19:16.720 MTS - Video: Aj. 157 00:19:17.360 --> 00:19:27.970 MTS - Video: Well, for the Council to reconfirm or not the Charter, definitely it's not necessarily a heavy load, but 158 00:19:28.330 --> 00:19:33.950 MTS - Video: the idea to… Updated charter is because there will be. 159 00:19:34.070 --> 00:19:45.919 MTS - Video: a review, and therefore the Council could say, okay, after a review has happened, nothing has changed, then we reconfirm. But, Who will do the review? 160 00:19:47.050 --> 00:20:01.389 MTS - Video: We are now saying that each group should have an annual preview of their own goals and things, and that could potentially lead to them reviewing their charter and therefore saying, oh, we need to update or not. 161 00:20:01.510 --> 00:20:02.540 MTS - Video: The. 162 00:20:03.150 --> 00:20:07.029 MTS - Video: But are we leaving for the Council to 163 00:20:07.330 --> 00:20:10.729 MTS - Video: Preview all the charters every 3 years. 164 00:20:12.290 --> 00:20:13.540 MTS - Video: That's my question. 165 00:20:14.350 --> 00:20:18.899 MTS - Video: I don't think so. I don't think that's the intent of the line. 166 00:20:19.880 --> 00:20:39.559 MTS - Video: I would actually kind of go the other way. And and we've talked about this in different context. This forces a council member who may not have had the time to review charters of the working groups or committees that are, of course, under the Council to have the opportunity to actually read the document, and that might not be a bad idea. 167 00:20:42.000 --> 00:20:56.939 MTS - Video: No, that's for sure not a bad idea, but if we… the Council will reconfirm, it's because it will be put in the agenda and said, okay, we will reconfirm, so it… But what will trigger that? The fact that 168 00:20:57.850 --> 00:21:07.999 MTS - Video: it had an expiration date, and that we need to read it, or the fact that at that certain point, we will ask the working group, hey, please check your charter. Do you think it needs… 169 00:21:08.180 --> 00:21:11.230 MTS - Video: something to be dealt with? That's what I'm asking. 170 00:21:11.620 --> 00:21:30.859 MTS - Video: I don't think it's a situation where we're saying that the, charter, sorry, the terms of reference have an expiry date. I would suggest that the language implies that if, for example, we did a terms of reference for a committee today, October 17th, 2026. 171 00:21:30.860 --> 00:21:41.320 MTS - Video: then at the next meeting, after October 17, th 2029, it would just automatically come up on Council's calendar. 172 00:21:41.400 --> 00:21:46.669 MTS - Video: As something to reconfirm or not, if something hasn't happened in between. 173 00:21:49.040 --> 00:21:49.720 MTS - Video: Good. 174 00:21:51.540 --> 00:22:08.379 MTS - Video: I think it's a job for Working Group and Committee to review its goals, priorities, and decide whether any adjustments to the Charter are needed. And if they have… did this review and decided there is no need for updates, then it doesn't go for Council. 175 00:22:08.960 --> 00:22:15.949 MTS - Video: That's that's it. So my suggestion is just to say, the latest Council approved version. 176 00:22:17.720 --> 00:22:22.250 MTS - Video: Does anyone else have a comment on the language that Irina has suggested? 177 00:22:23.050 --> 00:22:24.160 MTS - Video: I agree. 178 00:22:28.790 --> 00:22:31.450 MTS - Video: So do I. 179 00:22:33.790 --> 00:22:35.930 MTS - Video: Okay. 180 00:22:36.750 --> 00:22:45.670 MTS - Video: taking Irina's language as replacement language for what is there, and I'm hoping Yoka and Claudia that one of you guys have it noted down. 181 00:22:46.560 --> 00:22:52.319 MTS - Video: that… That will be the language that we vote on. 182 00:22:53.560 --> 00:22:56.190 MTS - Video: Done. Oh, Peter? Yes? 183 00:22:57.830 --> 00:23:02.710 MTS - Video: Yeah, I think we should maintain the time span. It's currently 184 00:23:04.700 --> 00:23:16.720 MTS - Video: So, if it just says the latest council-approved version. Yeah, what? There's a current charter, because it's… if we want the time span. In there, without calling it an expiry. 185 00:23:17.080 --> 00:23:24.760 MTS - Video: because expiry would mean that the charter is no longer valid. It would be valid. It would just be overdue for for reconsideration. 186 00:23:25.200 --> 00:23:32.370 MTS - Video: But I had another question, if I may. That was partly answered already. The so, of course, initially, when the 187 00:23:33.540 --> 00:23:42.010 MTS - Video: group committee, whatever is set up, then the Council is setting the charter. But isn't Isn't it practice… 188 00:23:42.250 --> 00:23:49.789 MTS - Video: that the group itself, and I think Irina went into that direction. The group is the master of their own charter in a way. 189 00:23:50.430 --> 00:23:56.159 MTS - Video: So that's going back to the lot of work for the Council. Maybe not so much. 190 00:23:57.680 --> 00:24:02.900 MTS - Video: But anyway, the point, my point for the language here was 191 00:24:03.390 --> 00:24:06.690 MTS - Video: If we want to say that the charters need to be touched. 192 00:24:06.890 --> 00:24:12.820 MTS - Video: or blessed, or whatever, at least every 3 years, then we need to keep the the time in there. Otherwise the the 193 00:24:13.420 --> 00:24:17.609 MTS - Video: The text on the on the screen and the table doesn't make much sense to me. 194 00:24:23.670 --> 00:24:25.270 MTS - Video: You're not wrong. 195 00:24:30.780 --> 00:24:32.899 MTS - Video: May I? Go ahead. 196 00:24:33.530 --> 00:24:45.669 MTS - Video: So, the indicator is, 100 of active working groups and committees have a current council-approved charter with purpose statements and measurable goals. I think the… 197 00:24:46.670 --> 00:24:49.759 MTS - Video: The key word there is current. 198 00:24:49.960 --> 00:24:51.080 MTS - Video: Like. 199 00:24:51.300 --> 00:24:57.870 MTS - Video: But as long as they have a a Council approved charter. 200 00:24:59.410 --> 00:25:06.160 MTS - Video: with purposes and goals. That's enough like I I don't. I don't see the need to put the time 201 00:25:06.590 --> 00:25:08.050 MTS - Video: Range there. 202 00:25:08.760 --> 00:25:12.550 MTS - Video: like, yes, working groups should 203 00:25:13.130 --> 00:25:20.000 MTS - Video: review their charters, and if they find something that needs to be updated, give it to Council. 204 00:25:20.450 --> 00:25:26.650 MTS - Video: Yes, but I'm I'm not sure if this is the indicator that Ask for this. 205 00:25:27.790 --> 00:25:29.040 MTS - Video: Does that make sense? 206 00:25:30.340 --> 00:25:37.150 MTS - Video: Yeah, it might make sense, and I wish I'm wrong this time, not about this one, about the other… 207 00:25:38.200 --> 00:25:40.220 MTS - Video: Current is very subjective. 208 00:25:40.650 --> 00:25:47.730 MTS - Video: And if you want indicators, they should be a bit more objective. So I'm not going to fight for the 3 years or anything, but 209 00:25:48.450 --> 00:25:54.420 MTS - Video: What this indicator seems to… Help support is that 210 00:25:54.690 --> 00:25:59.899 MTS - Video: the… not the review of the whole group, but a look at the Charter is happening. 211 00:26:00.520 --> 00:26:16.650 MTS - Video: And everybody agrees that it is current, as in reflects what the group does. And we've had examples, I believe, in the recent year where, what was it, the Meeting Programs Committee, where everybody was happy, but the charter wasn't in line with the practice, more or less. 212 00:26:17.030 --> 00:26:20.900 MTS - Video: Then that's okay. 213 00:26:22.270 --> 00:26:25.150 MTS - Video: Irina, go ahead. Yeah, go ahead. Thank you. 214 00:26:25.320 --> 00:26:30.419 MTS - Video: Peter, the next indicator, P2.222.2. 215 00:26:30.530 --> 00:26:31.800 MTS - Video: 2, 2, 2. 216 00:26:31.930 --> 00:26:43.790 MTS - Video: about the necessity of these, regular reviews. You don't see it at the moment on the screen, but if you look in the document a few pages before. 217 00:26:43.890 --> 00:26:52.629 MTS - Video: P222. It's exactly about a formal, regular review of the purpose and goals. 218 00:26:52.950 --> 00:26:55.950 MTS - Video: So it's… it's gonna be happening. 219 00:26:57.580 --> 00:26:59.279 MTS - Video: Yeah, thanks Irina. 220 00:27:00.120 --> 00:27:09.620 MTS - Video: Likely, and I haven't seen this now, likely a very good hint. I'm wondering what this indicator, what value this indicator has. 221 00:27:10.220 --> 00:27:14.270 MTS - Video: If the meat of it is is covered in the other one. 222 00:27:14.960 --> 00:27:17.449 MTS - Video: But again, I'm not going to die in a ditch over that. 223 00:27:20.070 --> 00:27:39.379 MTS - Video: I think if you, again, and I appreciate that you have not looked at that particular language, but Irina, you know, correctly points out that it actually contends with the current terminology. So, in that regard, if you twin 2.21, 224 00:27:39.470 --> 00:27:51.369 MTS - Video: And 2.22 together, then you could go back to the language being without the three years because the current ends up being defined in the, in the subsequent paragraphs. 225 00:27:52.070 --> 00:27:54.779 MTS - Video: Let Pablo go, and then you can go. 226 00:27:55.880 --> 00:28:00.849 MTS - Video: Thank you. So consequently, current would mean yearly. 227 00:28:00.970 --> 00:28:05.510 MTS - Video: according to 2.2.2. 228 00:28:05.970 --> 00:28:11.020 MTS - Video: because that one says that 100% of working groups 229 00:28:11.190 --> 00:28:18.540 MTS - Video: The committees conduct a formal annual review of purpose and goals with documented outcomes. 230 00:28:18.970 --> 00:28:24.650 MTS - Video: So now current will not be subjective, but… It would mean annually. 231 00:28:30.720 --> 00:28:35.010 MTS - Video: You want to respond, Peter. No, let me say I'm not objecting. 232 00:28:36.210 --> 00:28:50.860 MTS - Video: I'm not convinced, but that… let's… let's progress. Sure, okay. Then, may we have a vote on the terminology as suggested by Irina, striking everything after version? 233 00:28:51.150 --> 00:28:53.840 MTS - Video: Green checks or thumbs in the room, please. 234 00:29:05.690 --> 00:29:11.499 MTS - Video: And that's a pass. Thank you, you guys. This brings us now to… 235 00:29:11.630 --> 00:29:17.219 MTS - Video: review mechanism in place related to 2, 3, 1. 236 00:29:17.560 --> 00:29:24.190 MTS - Video: 2, 3, 1 says review mechanism in place. So that's a pretty binary type thing. 237 00:29:24.560 --> 00:29:28.309 MTS - Video: the language that goes with it. Now, looking at it on the screen. 238 00:29:29.060 --> 00:29:30.160 MTS - Video: Do, do, do, do. 239 00:29:32.020 --> 00:29:40.919 MTS - Video: My glasses are not so great. The charter or working methods. The methods say when and how the structure reviews its goals and working methods. 240 00:29:42.720 --> 00:29:44.530 MTS - Video: Is that pretty clear to everyone? 241 00:29:49.840 --> 00:29:56.059 MTS - Video: Okay, I see no hands for questions. So let's oh, no, Irina, you do have a question. 242 00:30:00.110 --> 00:30:00.980 MTS - Video: Okay. 243 00:30:05.380 --> 00:30:06.569 MTS - Video: Go ahead. 244 00:30:07.020 --> 00:30:15.660 MTS - Video: Maybe not only Charter says, but it's actually, this practice, is used, it happens. 245 00:30:21.190 --> 00:30:23.599 MTS - Video: Okay, then let's go for the vote. 246 00:30:24.200 --> 00:30:27.840 MTS - Video: Green checks or thumbs up thumbs down. If you disagree. 247 00:30:28.500 --> 00:30:32.149 MTS - Video: just to I think there are commands in the chat. 248 00:30:32.950 --> 00:30:37.650 MTS - Video: Berry, can you speak again? Yes, I think there are comments in the chat. 249 00:30:46.380 --> 00:30:49.769 MTS - Video: I apologize to people in the chat, Jordan. 250 00:30:50.200 --> 00:30:51.500 MTS - Video: Specifically. 251 00:31:00.120 --> 00:31:06.920 MTS - Video: I'm just having an issue with my, my particular edition of Zoom. Jordan, I will, keep the window open for you. 252 00:31:10.570 --> 00:31:17.340 MTS - Video: And are you wanting to say, then, that we should not be using this as an indicator? 253 00:31:21.220 --> 00:31:27.830 Jordan Carter: Sorry, to be remote when we're actually all in the same place. Can I just speak to this? Yeah. 254 00:31:28.920 --> 00:31:29.889 MTS - Video: Yes, you can. 255 00:31:30.650 --> 00:31:44.719 Jordan Carter: Sorry. My comments were about the other one, the, the council-approved version, the charter thing. So if you don't want to reopen that, that's fine. I just think it isn't an indicator anymore, the way it's written, so… 256 00:31:45.060 --> 00:31:48.710 Jordan Carter: Yeah, but I don't think it's important enough to really get it. 257 00:31:49.320 --> 00:31:53.959 Jordan Carter: I do think it's important that comments in the chat get read into the record. Thanks. 258 00:31:55.420 --> 00:32:00.379 MTS - Video: Again, I apologize for the way my Zoom is opening on my screen. 259 00:32:11.970 --> 00:32:12.690 MTS - Video: document. 260 00:32:13.380 --> 00:32:14.579 MTS - Video: When and how. 261 00:32:15.350 --> 00:32:19.040 MTS - Video: Okay, so now let's look at cataloged practice. 262 00:32:19.240 --> 00:32:23.290 MTS - Video: related to… 2.3.2. 263 00:32:25.960 --> 00:32:27.900 MTS - Video: which is structures best. 264 00:32:28.950 --> 00:32:43.430 MTS - Video: Go ahead, Irina. Sorry, on the review mechanism in place, my point was not, that it is documented, not about that it is written how to review. 265 00:32:43.600 --> 00:32:49.919 MTS - Video: But, it is applied. It is in use. 266 00:32:51.070 --> 00:32:52.360 MTS - Video: this mechanism. 267 00:33:09.540 --> 00:33:11.679 MTS - Video: So what would be the wording? Sorry. 268 00:33:20.740 --> 00:33:22.619 MTS - Video: I don't know at the moment. 269 00:33:25.760 --> 00:33:31.459 MTS - Video: I removed the documented because we said that not in the charter. 270 00:33:31.630 --> 00:33:47.200 MTS - Video: Or the working methods? Well, just remove charter? No, well, my point was not about whether it should be in the charter or not. My point is that even if the charter describes this method. 271 00:33:47.300 --> 00:33:52.070 MTS - Video: But this method has never been used. 272 00:33:52.490 --> 00:33:55.130 MTS - Video: Then it's not in place. 273 00:33:56.330 --> 00:33:57.979 MTS - Video: It's not working. 274 00:34:16.270 --> 00:34:17.330 MTS - Video: 2 plus… 275 00:34:21.429 --> 00:34:24.490 MTS - Video: Is this a situation, Irina, where… 276 00:34:28.090 --> 00:34:33.080 MTS - Video: Because the differentiation is in place, if we know that it's not in place. 277 00:34:36.239 --> 00:34:41.840 MTS - Video: By, well, okay. In the context of their, 278 00:34:42.280 --> 00:34:48.849 MTS - Video: Principle 3. I, it's probably okay. 279 00:34:49.400 --> 00:34:54.359 MTS - Video: So maybe I was wrong with my additions. Sorry. 280 00:34:54.639 --> 00:35:04.699 MTS - Video: Apologies. No, no, not at all. I mean, at the end of the day, when this gets… comes back from Council, you and Pablo are going to be looking at this and will be able to tell us that 281 00:35:05.210 --> 00:35:09.739 MTS - Video: we erred, and we'll be able to correct it. So let's leave it as it is. 282 00:35:10.200 --> 00:35:11.120 MTS - Video: Okay. 283 00:35:11.800 --> 00:35:13.930 MTS - Video: Can we vote on that language? 284 00:35:17.080 --> 00:35:23.369 MTS - Video: thumbs up in the room. Green ticks. If you're happy with it, red checks. If you're not. 285 00:35:32.410 --> 00:35:35.390 MTS - Video: Okay, we can move on to the next one. 286 00:35:36.000 --> 00:35:42.940 MTS - Video: Cataloged practice, which relates to 2.3.2. 287 00:35:45.190 --> 00:35:53.380 MTS - Video: And 2.3.2 basically reads very simply, structured best practices cataloged in a shared repository. 288 00:35:56.590 --> 00:36:06.549 MTS - Video: And the language here on the definition is an entry in the CCNSO shared practice repository with date, contributing structure, and a short description. 289 00:36:09.090 --> 00:36:11.500 MTS - Video: Does anyone have any comments to that? 290 00:36:21.730 --> 00:36:28.599 MTS - Video: I think that we actually have an easy one on this one. Okay, with no comments, raised. 291 00:36:28.720 --> 00:36:32.230 MTS - Video: Green checks. If you agree with it, thumbs up in the room. 292 00:36:32.790 --> 00:36:35.599 MTS - Video: Red marks if you disagree. 293 00:36:37.860 --> 00:36:38.880 MTS - Video: Okay. 294 00:36:39.980 --> 00:36:41.309 MTS - Video: Greens have it. 295 00:36:42.440 --> 00:36:48.929 MTS - Video: Next language is newly chartered. It relates to 3.2.3. 296 00:36:49.530 --> 00:36:52.010 MTS - Video: 3.2.3 reads… 297 00:36:53.420 --> 00:37:06.689 MTS - Video: as 100% of newly chartered working groups, including explicit volunteer time commitment expectations in their charter verified during council charter approval processes. It's a bit of a mouthful, but 298 00:37:06.800 --> 00:37:09.019 MTS - Video: It can be followed, I hope. 299 00:37:09.630 --> 00:37:16.939 MTS - Video: The corresponding language, in terms of the definition, is charter first approved by Council inside the reporting period. 300 00:37:17.770 --> 00:37:20.629 MTS - Video: Are there any questions or concerns? 301 00:37:20.960 --> 00:37:22.040 MTS - Video: to that. 302 00:37:28.960 --> 00:37:33.449 MTS - Video: I see none. Jordan, any thoughts on that? Just checking in. 303 00:37:41.160 --> 00:37:46.520 MTS - Video: Okay, seeing nothing. Can we go to green checks if you agree? Thumbs up in the room. 304 00:37:47.820 --> 00:37:48.990 MTS - Video: Thanks, Jordan. 305 00:37:57.720 --> 00:37:58.950 MTS - Video: Irina? 306 00:38:01.170 --> 00:38:02.030 MTS - Video: No. 307 00:38:04.920 --> 00:38:08.380 MTS - Video: You're no okay or no as in a red mark. 308 00:38:10.000 --> 00:38:12.210 MTS - Video: Okay, alright, cool, thank you. 309 00:38:13.850 --> 00:38:14.930 MTS - Video: Thank you. 310 00:38:15.560 --> 00:38:17.320 MTS - Video: Alright, we're moving along. 311 00:38:17.870 --> 00:38:22.840 MTS - Video: Next terminology is meeting sec… sorry, meeting setting. 312 00:38:22.890 --> 00:38:42.020 MTS - Video: And that's related to 3.2.4. 3.2.4 reads, at least X percentage of post-meeting survey respondents rate the meeting as productive, using anchor scale with examples administered after ICANN face-to-face meetings and quarterly for virtual meetings. 313 00:38:42.400 --> 00:38:48.179 MTS - Video: Create distinction between the meetings during ICANN and other meetings, for example, webinars. 314 00:38:48.380 --> 00:38:50.870 MTS - Video: That's a bit long, I know. Go ahead, Irina. 315 00:38:51.820 --> 00:38:57.440 MTS - Video: Where is meeting settings in this indicator? My apologies. 316 00:39:01.030 --> 00:39:06.689 MTS - Video: That is a good question. In terms of the… the… 317 00:39:07.320 --> 00:39:15.369 MTS - Video: I would look at it as, in one hand, they're in-person meetings, and in another hand, they are virtual meetings, and that would be the distinction of it. 318 00:39:15.600 --> 00:39:18.410 MTS - Video: as I would see it, but I could be very wrong. 319 00:39:19.100 --> 00:39:20.060 MTS - Video: Steven. 320 00:39:21.030 --> 00:39:23.660 MTS - Video: Is there a translation of this available? 321 00:39:29.430 --> 00:39:30.739 MTS - Video: Peter, go ahead. 322 00:39:33.950 --> 00:39:41.710 MTS - Video: I was following up on Stephen, and wondering what… which language the part is that… That doesn't work. 323 00:39:44.910 --> 00:39:47.579 MTS - Video: It's a rather 324 00:39:48.330 --> 00:39:55.670 MTS - Video: impressive run on sentence, and I can't parse it even as a native speaker. Perhaps we should ask Claude and Claude could give us some guidance. 325 00:39:58.310 --> 00:40:04.059 MTS - Video: I actually have one that says, please put this as readable by a person in grade 5. 326 00:40:05.770 --> 00:40:09.310 MTS - Video: It's okay. Irina, go ahead. 327 00:40:10.290 --> 00:40:10.990 MTS - Video: Mmm. 328 00:40:11.420 --> 00:40:17.530 MTS - Video: In my… Personal opinion, we do not need this definition at all. 329 00:40:18.250 --> 00:40:21.000 MTS - Video: And the same relates to the next 3. 330 00:40:25.130 --> 00:40:27.829 MTS - Video: I'm not going to disagree with you. 331 00:40:28.630 --> 00:40:32.909 MTS - Video: However, I don't know if I can do an omnibus vote on these terminologies. 332 00:40:34.920 --> 00:40:40.640 MTS - Video: So… We'll ask on the meeting setting, do we actually need that terminology then? 333 00:40:41.610 --> 00:40:51.750 MTS - Video: And if you think that we still do, or we do give it a green check. If you don't think we do do thumbs down or a red mark. 334 00:41:00.830 --> 00:41:03.430 MTS - Video: Yes, Steven, come on. 335 00:41:03.590 --> 00:41:04.350 MTS - Video: Yep. 336 00:41:05.230 --> 00:41:06.699 MTS - Video: Jordan, go ahead. 337 00:41:08.440 --> 00:41:09.870 Jordan Carter: Thanks, this is sick. 338 00:41:10.240 --> 00:41:17.139 Jordan Carter: Questions? I missed the start of the meeting. Are these… these are the indicators, right? That's what this table is. 339 00:41:17.400 --> 00:41:28.490 MTS - Video: No, this is… this, Jordan, is the definitions that are going to be used consistently, throughout the documentation, so that they're easier to understand. 340 00:41:29.550 --> 00:41:34.630 Jordan Carter: Okay, so wherever we say meeting setting, and the P is the reference to what it's to. 341 00:41:34.740 --> 00:41:39.389 Jordan Carter: The language, the substantive language is what those descriptions might be. 342 00:41:40.450 --> 00:41:42.810 Jordan Carter: So this is consistently used language. 343 00:41:44.490 --> 00:41:45.240 MTS - Video: Correct. 344 00:41:45.810 --> 00:41:46.590 Jordan Carter: Okay. 345 00:41:48.880 --> 00:41:50.609 Jordan Carter: Thanks for the clarification. 346 00:41:52.100 --> 00:41:52.880 MTS - Video: You bet. 347 00:41:57.540 --> 00:42:03.349 MTS - Video: So, there's only two people indicating a scratch on this. That's not enough to actually scratch it. 348 00:42:06.670 --> 00:42:08.690 MTS - Video: Is everyone else abstaining? 349 00:42:18.700 --> 00:42:25.890 MTS - Video: Okay, that's very interesting. I guess the language will stay for the time being, and Irina. 350 00:42:26.000 --> 00:42:32.830 MTS - Video: and Pablo come back to us, I suppose, and determine if this is an issue or not, long term. 351 00:42:33.940 --> 00:42:35.599 MTS - Video: Do you want to go ahead, Irina? 352 00:42:36.260 --> 00:42:43.130 MTS - Video: There is no harm having this language staying. We are just losing time on discussing it. 353 00:42:43.330 --> 00:42:44.390 MTS - Video: Agreed. 354 00:42:45.760 --> 00:42:51.869 MTS - Video: Alignment with Tor. I… Do you want to keep that language? Leave it? 355 00:42:52.080 --> 00:42:53.330 MTS - Video: discuss it. 356 00:42:57.190 --> 00:43:07.899 MTS - Video: Again, in my personal opinion, it's clear enough itself, without any additional explanation, what aligned with Tor is. 357 00:43:08.050 --> 00:43:17.780 MTS - Video: The same relates to ccnso goals. Could there be any like misinterpretation? What ccnso goals is? 358 00:43:17.900 --> 00:43:19.490 MTS - Video: I would hope not. 359 00:43:20.490 --> 00:43:22.450 MTS - Video: Then why we should define it. 360 00:43:23.830 --> 00:43:26.519 MTS - Video: We are not defining every word we use. 361 00:43:28.280 --> 00:43:29.110 MTS - Video: Fair. 362 00:43:29.330 --> 00:43:31.069 MTS - Video: not arguing. 363 00:43:32.760 --> 00:43:35.260 MTS - Video: Nevertheless, we'll do the vote. 364 00:43:35.760 --> 00:43:38.090 MTS - Video: Up, down, abstain. 365 00:43:43.680 --> 00:43:45.190 MTS - Video: We walked forward. 366 00:43:45.510 --> 00:43:52.540 MTS - Video: Hmm! The vote is the vote. The vote is is on the language aligned with aligned with Tor. 367 00:43:52.940 --> 00:43:55.130 MTS - Video: Keep it, leave it. 368 00:43:55.570 --> 00:43:56.730 MTS - Video: Or abstain. 369 00:44:02.830 --> 00:44:16.810 MTS - Video: You want to keep it, you want to keep it, you want to abstain, okay. Again, then we'll refer this to Pablo and Irina to take it out, or keep it as they see fit, in the report backs… back to us. 370 00:44:17.870 --> 00:44:22.740 MTS - Video: To make it easier than the CCNSO goals, which are probably also pretty… 371 00:44:24.100 --> 00:44:36.760 MTS - Video: self-explanatory can also be handled that way. If you guys agree with that, if you don't have a problem with that. And I'm looking specifically at you, Aj. Or Jordan, from the administrative side of the Council. 372 00:44:37.450 --> 00:44:46.450 MTS - Video: The Ccnso goals are defined and published in the website. And those are the ccnso goals. So no other. 373 00:44:46.910 --> 00:44:54.619 MTS - Video: No, I appreciate that. It's just I'm basically doing an omnibus movement on these things, and there's no real structure for that. 374 00:44:57.440 --> 00:44:58.740 MTS - Video: Go ahead, Irina. 375 00:44:59.350 --> 00:45:17.820 MTS - Video: Actually, I insist on, changing or striking this definition, because what this third column says is not a 100% correct interpretation of CCNSO goals. Or just remove it, or change to what Alejandra just said. 376 00:45:21.830 --> 00:45:34.410 MTS - Video: So there's your choice. We remove it, or we do what AJ has suggested. I'll give you this way. If you agree with what AJ has suggested, give you a green thumbs up. 377 00:45:34.520 --> 00:45:38.619 MTS - Video: And if you want to get rid of it, give a red X. 378 00:45:42.890 --> 00:45:44.949 MTS - Video: And AJ for the win. 379 00:45:49.040 --> 00:45:54.499 MTS - Video: Sorry, it's been a long day. Last item, not found. 380 00:45:54.840 --> 00:45:58.729 MTS - Video: I think that one's pretty self-evident, 381 00:45:59.290 --> 00:46:04.729 MTS - Video: Again, in a sense, do we really need this one? 382 00:46:05.100 --> 00:46:07.000 MTS - Video: Irina Pablo 383 00:46:10.530 --> 00:46:24.919 MTS - Video: personally uncomfortable with it not being there. But nevertheless, if you feel… and Jordan, I'm not sure if you're voting on, the goals or the not found at this moment. The vote on not found, if you want to keep it, green. 384 00:46:25.160 --> 00:46:30.370 MTS - Video: Green ticks, if you feel it should be struck, we don't need it. Red. 385 00:46:30.840 --> 00:46:33.029 MTS - Video: And I agree with Irina. By the way. 386 00:46:44.080 --> 00:46:56.680 MTS - Video: People seem very indifferent on this one. I'll suggest that we actually cut it, but I'll leave it to Irina and Pablo to make that official in their process. Yeah, I know, I know. 387 00:47:09.330 --> 00:47:18.449 MTS - Video: Jordan, so you're saying they think it should be clear inside the cscnso council or operations context, and it could just refer to the published goals? That's reasonable. 388 00:47:20.700 --> 00:47:23.349 MTS - Video: Do you have further comments, Jordan, that you would like to make? 389 00:47:30.960 --> 00:47:32.489 MTS - Video: Aj, for the win. 390 00:47:32.600 --> 00:47:35.630 MTS - Video: Again… Yeah. 391 00:47:39.590 --> 00:47:44.639 MTS - Video: All right, that was the significant part of this particular document. 392 00:47:46.140 --> 00:47:55.930 MTS - Video: knowing that there's been a little bit of change because some of the terminology has come out. Claudia, if you can run to the last page of this. 393 00:47:58.530 --> 00:48:00.620 MTS - Video: Which is a dashboard. 394 00:48:04.920 --> 00:48:07.490 MTS - Video: Or actually, Section 6. 395 00:48:12.300 --> 00:48:13.700 MTS - Video: On page 11. 396 00:48:15.290 --> 00:48:25.860 MTS - Video: There you go. Okay, so… Without having… going through this whole entire process, in… later time. 397 00:48:26.410 --> 00:48:42.199 MTS - Video: what Bart did is he then took the parameters and the questions, including the ones that we struck out, and he basically did a straw exercise against the information that we have within the CCNSO available. And in doing that. 398 00:48:42.200 --> 00:48:48.360 MTS - Video: This is what he determined the current state of… 399 00:48:48.790 --> 00:48:57.459 MTS - Video: how we are fulfilling the goals and objectives of continuous improvement look like. 400 00:48:57.470 --> 00:49:09.699 MTS - Video: Again, some of these things may change because, again, it was a straw test. Doesn't mean that this is the final test or the accurate, it was just to show 401 00:49:09.700 --> 00:49:26.300 MTS - Video: how the information could be utilized. This really becomes a tool for Pablo and Irina to actually work out and come back and show, okay, these are the test items that we actually are using. This is how it actually looks. 402 00:49:26.300 --> 00:49:31.100 MTS - Video: So, because we have adjusted some of the terminology, 403 00:49:31.450 --> 00:49:34.000 MTS - Video: It's best now for us to… 404 00:49:34.130 --> 00:49:45.179 MTS - Video: say, this is the test run based on this criterium. It will be adjusted during the the process, but for Council to have an understanding that this is actually 405 00:49:45.400 --> 00:49:54.049 MTS - Video: what is being envisioned at this moment in time for the presentation of of material to the community. 406 00:49:54.590 --> 00:49:56.290 MTS - Video: Does that make sense to everyone? 407 00:49:58.580 --> 00:49:59.750 MTS - Video: Okay. 408 00:50:00.340 --> 00:50:04.049 MTS - Video: then I think we can actually move on to the next part of our agenda. 409 00:50:04.940 --> 00:50:06.580 MTS - Video: Which is a good thing. 410 00:50:07.130 --> 00:50:09.400 MTS - Video: Do you want to bring up the agenda? 411 00:50:09.800 --> 00:50:10.950 MTS - Video: There, Claudia. 412 00:50:12.250 --> 00:50:21.349 MTS - Video: So we are. I'll talk to number 2, and then we'll get into What time is it? 413 00:50:22.320 --> 00:50:24.199 MTS - Video: What time do we end at Claudia? 414 00:50:26.960 --> 00:50:29.960 MTS - Video: You have 10 minutes left. 10 minutes. 415 00:50:31.720 --> 00:50:34.440 MTS - Video: I don't think we actually have time to really start anything. 416 00:50:36.860 --> 00:50:38.120 MTS - Video: You see. 417 00:50:38.780 --> 00:50:42.240 MTS - Video: Timeline of the CAP, and then the heads up. 418 00:50:42.770 --> 00:50:44.090 MTS - Video: That's enough. 419 00:50:47.580 --> 00:50:51.200 MTS - Video: Okay, yeah, alright, yeah, if you want to bring up the next slide. 420 00:50:51.870 --> 00:50:52.780 MTS - Video: Claudia 421 00:50:57.190 --> 00:50:57.890 MTS - Video: Yeah. 422 00:50:58.130 --> 00:51:08.520 MTS - Video: So This is our ongoing work phases. You'll see that we are now, between Phase 1 and Phase 2. 423 00:51:08.660 --> 00:51:26.419 MTS - Video: Phase 2 is where we start to test the principles. This is going to take the work… this is going to be the primary work around what Irina and Pablo are going to be doing, and looking at the measurements. Now that we've actually sealed out the measurements, yes, Council will have this 424 00:51:26.420 --> 00:51:35.239 MTS - Video: on Thursday, and then by Thursday evening, it should be back to, Pablo and Irina, 425 00:51:35.910 --> 00:51:55.300 MTS - Video: All things aside, in terms of doing this work, the deliverables are pretty, pretty apparent. The results will be available to us, by your next ICANN meeting, perhaps. 426 00:51:56.720 --> 00:52:07.590 MTS - Video: Then we'll move to phase 3, going into next year, and then we'll start to add and adjust the terminology. 427 00:52:07.630 --> 00:52:20.359 MTS - Video: The benefit, of course, will start hopefully being seen in how the continuous improvement program is working for the CCNSO and how we are progressing and of course phase four down the down the road. 428 00:52:20.720 --> 00:52:40.250 MTS - Video: then this stuff is becoming part of how the overall community is working and how we are progressing as a as a entity. And hopefully, the continuous improvement process by then is well established and is providing us a continuous feedback loop that is allowing for our work 429 00:52:40.250 --> 00:52:42.100 MTS - Video: Workflow to be improved. 430 00:52:42.100 --> 00:52:58.979 MTS - Video: And for our membership to actually be, seeing things happen in a reasonable amount of time, versus sometimes waiting years for some of our activities to happen might be, aggressive, might not be. And I'm hoping that it is. 431 00:52:59.740 --> 00:53:05.590 MTS - Video: aggressively enough To be effective, and not overburden everyone involved. 432 00:53:07.030 --> 00:53:08.339 MTS - Video: Aj, go ahead. 433 00:53:08.640 --> 00:53:24.219 MTS - Video: Just a comment. Yes, the Council will be updated on what we discussed today, that it's the refinement of language and everything, but the framework has been already approved, so there's nothing stopping the work from 434 00:53:26.100 --> 00:53:33.939 MTS - Video: from actually starting to happen. This was like the last Polish? On… on… 435 00:53:34.460 --> 00:53:43.600 MTS - Video: On… on the tools that will be used to gather the information. So, just… to do that clarification. 436 00:53:53.100 --> 00:53:55.060 MTS - Video: Can you bring back up the agenda? 437 00:53:56.540 --> 00:53:57.750 MTS - Video: Oh, sorry. 438 00:54:00.220 --> 00:54:18.810 MTS - Video: Thanks, Christian Wheeler, ICANN Org. I just wanted to clarify, too, that for the very last deliverable in Phase 4, the final evaluation, the CIP framework kind of considers that as, like, the progress report that would be going up, published for public comment. So, I just wanted to clarify that that's… 439 00:54:18.930 --> 00:54:28.430 MTS - Video: I think was what Rose referred to as for the final evaluation. And also wanted to note that any improvements that are identified during 440 00:54:28.430 --> 00:54:39.900 MTS - Video: the kind of phase 2, or I guess phase 2 and phase 3 of this. Not every improvement needs to be implemented as far as part of that evaluation or progress report. 441 00:54:39.900 --> 00:54:51.690 MTS - Video: Bearing in mind that CIP is meant to be continuous, and so it's really just a kind of a touch base to see where it's at, where CCNSO is at in its framework. And. 442 00:54:51.840 --> 00:55:07.470 MTS - Video: the improvements that it's made and checking out the data to see if those have actually yielded results that were intended. But just wanted to flag that it's not expected that ccnso implement everything that is that it identified as a potential improvement. Thanks. 443 00:55:08.470 --> 00:55:18.509 MTS - Video: Thank you for that, and yeah, it would be an awful lot to fully implement across the board, all the things that we've thought about over the last year, year or two. 444 00:55:19.300 --> 00:55:20.310 MTS - Video: So… 445 00:55:20.650 --> 00:55:39.489 MTS - Video: You want to speak? No. Okay, so tomorrow, in terms of the heads up, at 9 o'clock in the morning, the MPC, we're going to be going over and kind of doing a workshop with them. They've asked me to be involved in. 446 00:55:40.030 --> 00:55:54.699 MTS - Video: looking at the survey process that they do, and how they are received, and the validity of the information that is being received, just because there's a bit of a sense of… of… 447 00:55:55.100 --> 00:55:59.069 MTS - Video: Call it survey fatigue. 448 00:55:59.130 --> 00:56:12.920 MTS - Video: And this becomes an interesting thing in terms of continuous improvement and how we can help, from the GRC's perspective, help a committee, especially this committee, to… 449 00:56:12.920 --> 00:56:23.220 MTS - Video: reach out to the membership and have an effective, you know, an effective way to to capture information that is valuable to the community. 450 00:56:23.620 --> 00:56:25.800 MTS - Video: So that we will be doing tomorrow. 451 00:56:25.930 --> 00:56:29.129 MTS - Video: in the morning. If you are willing to participate. 452 00:56:35.130 --> 00:56:37.119 MTS - Video: I believe it's gonna be here, yeah. 453 00:56:40.400 --> 00:56:42.390 MTS - Video: All right. Confirmed. 454 00:56:44.300 --> 00:56:48.519 MTS - Video: Is there any other business from anyone at the floor, or online? 455 00:56:51.130 --> 00:56:52.060 MTS - Video: Nope. 456 00:56:52.560 --> 00:56:59.760 MTS - Video: All right, you guys, enjoy the rest of your time in Bali. It was great to see you all, and good evening, good night. 457 00:57:00.340 --> 00:57:01.260 MTS - Video: Cheers.