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MTS - AV: Thank you so much.

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MTS - AV: Hello, and welcome to Get to Know the ICANN Community GNSO and ISPCP session. My name is Fernanda Younes, and I am a participation manager for the session.

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MTS - AV: Okay, and back to you, Sirinish. Thank you, Fernanda, and…

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MTS - AV: We're back to our sessions to learn about ICANN community.

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MTS - AV: And we will start with two interesting communities to talk about.

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MTS - AV: We'll start with GNSO, which is Generic Name Supporting Organization, and we will be finishing this session with learning about ISPCP, which is Internet Service Providers, Connectivity Providers.

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MTS - AV: So and it's my pleasure to introduce you GNSO Chair Susan Payne, who will start the session and talk about GNSO. And then we'll have some time for questions for Susan, and then we'll move to ISPCP. Susan, the floor is yours.

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MTS - AV: Thank you very much. Hi, everyone. It's really nice to come and do this session and tell you a bit about the GNSO. So, the GNSO is basically the policy development body within ICANN that's responsible for policies

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MTS - AV: To do with generic top-level domains, or GTLDs. So examples of those that you'd be very familiar with are .com and .net.org, for example.

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MTS - AV: And originally, we had relatively small number of those top-level GTLDs.

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MTS - AV: And then the space was expanded initially with about 14 additional ones. And then in 2012, we had what was called the round of new GTLDs that led to another about sort of 1500 or so GTLDs.

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MTS - AV: And then we have just had another round, which is currently underway. The applications, have all just been submitted, and…

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MTS - AV: the applicants have just been sort of announced and revealed, and so for the 2026 round, it looks like we could see something like another thousand GTLDs joining the space in due course. And that is as a result of some policy work that the GNSO oversaw.

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MTS - AV: But essentially, yes, so that's the GTLD, policy body, and it's divided into four stakeholder groups, and they are in two houses. So there's what's called the contracted party house, and that is the.

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MTS - AV: the entities who have a contract with ICANN. So it's the registry operators who, have a contract with ICANN to operate a registry, a GTLD registry.

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MTS - AV: And so they, are part of the registry stakeholder group. They're not required to be members of that stakeholder group, but it is very common for the registry operators to do so.

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MTS - AV: And indeed, there are sort of benefits to them in being able to sort of work collectively on things and do collective negotiations of their contract with ICANN and so on.

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MTS - AV: And then we have the registrar stakeholder group, which is the other… one of the contracted parties, the registrars.

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MTS - AV: Are the entities that you would buy your names from

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MTS - AV: Rather than going straight to the registry operator.

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MTS - AV: And again, not all of the registrars, there are many, many registrars, not all of them will be members of the registrar stakeholder group, but many of them are, because they see the benefit, again, of having that, sort of, their own personal say in how things are developed and any proposed changes.

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MTS - AV: that might be made to policy that would impact how they run their business, they would, you know, it's beneficial for them to collectively work together, on issues that affect them all.

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MTS - AV: So that's… those are the entities that have a contract with ICANN, and then there are various, other entities that are also interested in GTLD policy who don't have a contract with ICANN.

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MTS - AV: And that's the non-contracted party house, and so that's made up of commercial stakeholders and non-commercial stakeholders.

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MTS - AV: And commercial stakeholders are three constituencies, business, intellectual property, and ISPs, and as Sirinish said, we're hearing from the ISPs again in a little while.

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MTS - AV: And then on the non-commercial stakeholder side.

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MTS - AV: it's non-commercial users and not-for-profit organizations. Essentially, it's those entities who are more kind of civil society, academics, researchers, that kind of thing would tend to be in the non-commercial stakeholder group.

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MTS - AV: Okay.

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MTS - AV: And so, the body that I'm the chair of at the moment, the GNSO Council, is.

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MTS - AV: is basically… is the part of the GNSO that is an elected group of representatives from each of those different stakeholder groups and constituencies.

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MTS - AV: Who kind of work together, to manage that policy development process.

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MTS - AV: we also… we have, a certain number of reps from, as I say, each of those groups, and then the NOMCOM, the nominating committee, appoint 3 people to the GNSO Council as well. Two of them are voting, and one is a non-voting

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MTS - AV: representative, and then we have liaisons from some of the other groups, such as the At-Large and the Country Code Name Supporting Organization, or CCNSO. So it's a sort of… a reasonable size of body.

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MTS - AV: And we meet monthly on, on kind of

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MTS - AV: calls that last usually a couple of hours, and then when we come to ICANN meetings, we'll have our regular monthly call, and also a number of, sort of, working sessions. So usually the… the Sunday, we all spend, I think we have about three…

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MTS - AV: three sessions of kind of working sessions where we can dig in a bit more on particular issues that we want to talk through.

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MTS - AV: And then we'll also, in addition to our own kind of internal meetings, we'll have various bilateral meetings with people like the governments and with the ICANN board and so on.

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MTS - AV: But essentially, our role is to manage the policy development process, or PDP. And that means we do, you know, we work with, obviously, with ICANN staff on things like scoping of what an effort should be, and drafting a charter for the PDP.

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MTS - AV: Working out, you know, what the best structure is, whether we should have a kind of representative model in that PDP, or whether anyone who wants to participate should, should be able to join the work effort. And depending on the topic, we might choose one or other structure.

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MTS - AV: And then usually we'll have one member from the GNSO Council will serve as a liaison to each of those PDPs that we have underway, so that they can, be a point of contact back and forward, so…

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MTS - AV: they'll give regular updates back to the council. Sometimes we'll also have the chair come and give us updates, particularly as we're going into an ICANN meeting.

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MTS - AV: And the liaison's role is also to.

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MTS - AV: to sort of try to break through any log jams, or if there are issues where members of the group feel that the PDP is going outside of its remit, or something like that, it's the liaison's role to try to.

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MTS - AV: to try to resolve that, or to bring it back to Council for further advice.

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MTS - AV: And so there's…

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MTS - AV: there's a… when we… when we do a PDP, there will be a number of different stages, and I think I've got… I'll skip ahead to the Z diagram, I think, and show… it's quite small, but there are a number of different stages in

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MTS - AV: in terms of, sort of, issue scoping, and then there are various points where you can see on that Z diagram, the, the…

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MTS - AV: icon of little… lots of little people is that's… that's where there's a kind of public comment opportunity, for people to feed in. So.

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MTS - AV: there'll be what's called an issues report that kind of identifies, whether there's an issue and whether it's something that seems appropriate for policy work, and the community get an opportunity to put in a comment on that. And then once the work gets underway and the working group is together.

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MTS - AV: They'll deliberate for quite some time, and then they'll put out an initial report, which is basically a draft of their recommendations, and again, that will go out to a public comment. Before it then becomes finalized.

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MTS - AV: And then later on, at the point where the recommendations have been through that process and come back to Council as a final report, there'll be a further comment period, when Council is passing that on to the ICANN board as well.

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MTS - AV: So I'll just pop back a minute, because I sort of jumped a little bit ahead. This was just to show you the structure of the council, where you can see a little more clearly.

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MTS - AV: The… the… that folks come from each of those different constituencies and stakeholder groups, and then we have some non-voting liaisons, and we have

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MTS - AV: Some folk appointed by the NOMCOM.

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MTS - AV: And although there are more people, like, there are more bodies on the, non-contracted party house side.

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MTS - AV: than there are on the contracted party house side, and that's really just to reflect the… the more complicated, makeup of… of that house. When it comes to voting.

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MTS - AV: the voting is done by reference to percentages of the House, or percentages of the Council as a whole, so it doesn't matter that there are only 6 on one side and 12 on the other, because what's important is whether you get 60% of the relevant House.

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MTS - AV: That's…

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MTS - AV: a fine group of outstanding individuals. There'll probably be a new photo done here, I would imagine. This is being the AGM, there'll be people turning out and moving council, leaving council, including actually myself, unfortunately.

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MTS - AV: And then I showed you the Z diagram. So I thought it was worth just also showing you what we currently have underway as PDPs.

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MTS - AV: We probably usually have about 3 or so going at any time in different… at different points in their life cycle. So the first one up there is on Latin script diacritics, and this is…

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MTS - AV: This is to address, what was seen as a gap.

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MTS - AV: In terms of… the particular Latin script where there are accented terms.

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MTS - AV: They don't constitute IDN variants, which have some specific rules that deal with whether they can or can't be allocated to be used for a top-level domain.

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MTS - AV: The Latin script diacritics were sort of a gap left out in some of the previous policy work, so a PDP was put together to kind of address a particular perceived need, where there was a slight gap with these particular terms, or this particular script, really.

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MTS - AV: And so that… that PDP's been running for a while and actually has really just wrapped up its work, so the final report from that group has just been sent to Council, and in fact, we'll probably, unless anyone raises any concerns or asks for an extension of time, we'll be voting on that to, to adopt the recommendations.

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MTS - AV: When we have our council meeting at the end of this week.

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MTS - AV: And then… and then, if that happens, we then send it on to the ICANN board so that the board themselves can also look at the recommendations and hopefully, adopt them and take them forward for implementation.

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MTS - AV: So the next one we have is DNS abuse PDP1.

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MTS - AV: This is looking at associated domain checks, and the idea behind this one is that, if someone reports, DNS abuse on a particular domain name to a registrar.

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MTS - AV: That we should have, some policy put into place that requires the registrar to look not just at that particular name, but also to

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MTS - AV: to look at certain other factors that might suggest that there are other names held by the same entity or in the same account, and maybe they may also be abusive. So it's just.

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MTS - AV: expecting, once this policy work is finished and assuming it's adopted, is just expecting a little bit more of additional checking of whether there are other names that are also associated with a name that's already been flagged as abusive.

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MTS - AV: And so that working group began work in ICANN 85. That would have been in around March time.

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MTS - AV: And they have just done their public comment period on their initial report.

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MTS - AV: That's actually really quick, I should say. PDPs normally take longer than that, but this was a very narrow-scoped issue, and what… and what the GNSO is trying to do is… is very narrowly scoped, so that we're…

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MTS - AV: We can move more swiftly and just rather than trying to kind of boil the ocean, we're trying to pick sort of issues in small, like manageable chunks.

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MTS - AV: So that, that group now has four meetings here while we're in Bali, and they will be going through all the public, comment input that they received, and then looking at their recommendations and trying to determine whether there is anything that needs to be changed. In particular, they're looking at whether someone's raised issues that

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MTS - AV: hadn't previously been thought about, or whether there are any kind of unintended consequences that someone has flagged.

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MTS - AV: And if so, then they would make changes to their recommendations accordingly.

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MTS - AV: And then the final one is one we don't actually have underway yet.

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MTS - AV: we're just working on, on chartering, the next DNS abuse PDP. And this is about introducing some kind of safeguards for access to, to tools like APIs that.

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MTS - AV: make it easier for registrants to register in bulk or at scale. And the idea is, if someone's a new customer, maybe they haven't yet.

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MTS - AV: Built up that sort of level of know your customer, or kind of trustworthiness, if you like, with the registrar, that maybe there should be some kind of additional hurdles that they have to go through before they're given access to some of these tools that allow them to register in bulk.

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MTS - AV: So we… we voted to initiate that work, and we… we are just sort of drafting the charter for it, and… and I think the idea is that when… when the PDP-1 work, when that group is kind of more or less finished, then there would… it would seem a good time then to… to start the PDP-2.

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MTS - AV: And then I think I don't have it on the slide, no. The other piece of work we have, which I didn't put on there because it's not really a PDP, but the other sort of PDP-like effort that we currently have underway is

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MTS - AV: is one to do with the, system for standardized access and disclosure of registration data. There was a

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MTS - AV: There were, there was PDP work on that, and a set of recommendations for a very complex system.

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MTS - AV: That was determined to be too complicated and really too costly. And so… At the…

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MTS - AV: oh, I think probably a couple of ICANNs ago, the ICANN board, having had conversations with the GNSO Council about how do we fix this problem, decided that they would reject those recommendations, and that triggers something under our operating procedures to send them back to the GNSO Council.

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MTS - AV: And then we put together a working group to basically look at that again. We've got various other input from trials that have been run on a much simpler disclosure system.

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MTS - AV: And so we're working with all of this data that we've had over that two-year trial, and revising the recommendations to come up with, hopefully, some recommendations for a simpler system that will be less costly to implement, and that hopefully the ICANN board, when we finalize that work, will be more confident about taking forward.

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MTS - AV: So it's not exactly a PDP, because the PDP work has already happened, but it's… it's an effort that we also have underway at the moment with… with a number of GNSO members, working on, kind of, revising recommendations that have been deemed unworkable.

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MTS - AV: So that's… yeah, that's just a kind of quick and high-level sort of overview on the main things that we do, and what, you know, the PDP process and so on, but I think I'll stop there. I don't want to run too long, but I'd be happy to take any questions if anyone has any.

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MTS - AV: Yes, absolutely. We will open the floor for questions.

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MTS - AV: Along with the activities which Susan mentioned, I also would like to thank GNSO as the headquarters for commercial and non-commercial stakeholder groups to nominate and assign mentors and selection committee members for both NextGen and Fellowship program.

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MTS - AV: We are really very appreciate your nominations and your support to those programs, and these are very important for us also to have community engaged in those processes.

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MTS - AV: I'm opening the floor for questions related to GNSO. Yes, Mary, we'll start from you.

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MTS - AV: Thank you. I'm Mary from… fellow from Timor-Leste. I'm new to ICANN and come from a small island country, Timor-Leste. So, my question is.

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MTS - AV: What background or skill and experience should I have to join a ZNSO working group and contribute to a meaningful to policy development?

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MTS - AV: And can newcomers participate while learning, or prior policy experience expected? Thank you.

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MTS - AV: So I think the best way to learn is to get involved. And really most people, when they start, they perhaps are not that experienced in doing this, but they, you know, they've got some experience in their perspective, the particular group they come from.

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MTS - AV: What has become a bit more challenging for participation, I think, or wide participation.

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MTS - AV: is the fact that we, in the past, we used to have PDP working groups where it would be what we called an open model, where basically anyone who wanted to could just put their hand up and sign up and join. And we would have them working groups that could be 100 or 150 people.

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MTS - AV: And that's really quite difficult to manage, and we also found that

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MTS - AV: Often, 150 people would be signed up to be members of the working group, but actually most of them would maybe turn up for a few meetings, and then they would perhaps get disillusioned and leave, or felt uncomfortable speaking up in that bigger group.

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MTS - AV: So whilst it's not always the case that we'll do what we call a representative model, it is becoming much more normal. And so, for example, the DNS abuse PDP that I was talking about, that is what's called a representative model, and we…

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MTS - AV: We work out in council what we think the right number of people to be in the group is, and whether we think any particular, interest group

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MTS - AV: is more specifically impacted, and so maybe needs more representatives. But we would… we would generally… we would say, like, you know, there will be…

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MTS - AV: 2 represent… or 3 representatives from the registrars, 3 from the registries.

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MTS - AV: You know, one from the commercial stakeholders, one, you know, one from the non-commercial stakeholders, or, you know, whatever the decision is on the grouping structure.

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MTS - AV: And then we may well have,

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MTS - AV: what we call observers. So we will have those people are the representatives, they're expected to present the… the perspectives of their group, and so they're… whilst they obviously bring their own experience, they… they're meant to listen to what's being discussed and take it back to their groups.

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MTS - AV: And get input, and sort of discuss it in that forum, and then come back to the working group, and sort of work on reaching consensus with the other representatives.

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MTS - AV: where we have that kind of model, then usually the PDP will also be open to observers who literally do that. You'll be able to look at the, you know, what's going on on the mailing list, usually listen in to the calls, but not actually speak because you're not a representative.

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MTS - AV: So that's one thing, you know, you can… you can join as an observer, even if you haven't been appointed as the representative for a group.

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MTS - AV: But the easiest way to become the representative for a group is… is when you… when you work out which part of the ICANN, structure is… is the most appropriate kind of home for you, if there is one.

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MTS - AV: Then… then you would become… you become active within that group, so in that constituency of… of…

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MTS - AV: not-for-profit operational concerns, or business constituency, or if you come from an ISP, you maybe would join the ISPs.

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MTS - AV: And you work within that group, and then when, you know, at some point, when you've demonstrated that you would be a good person to be trusted to be a representative, then they would appoint you to be the representative. But in the meantime, you can always be an observer, even if you can't be the rep.

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MTS - AV: I hope that helps.

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MTS - AV: Thank you.

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MTS - AV: Yes?

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MTS - AV: Queen, let's go with you, and then we'll come back to you.

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MTS - AV: Hi, I'm Njawe Peter Tsui, I'm from TWNI, and actually, I'm the Adopting Fellow of Theranos, and what I want to ask is that, interesting things from GNSO is that they have the commercial

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MTS - AV: So there's a balance needs to be struck, but that balance usually is struck within the PDP, where there are the other interests there as well. Rather than just at the kind of house level between the commercial and the non-commercial stakeholders.

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MTS - AV: And we have a couple of more questions over there. Thank you so much. My name is Jigme Dolker, and I'm from India, so my question is that I've learned GNSO brings together different multi-stakeholder from organized other groups.

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MTS - AV: And then when the work… when that policy was implemented, many members who'd been in the original working group then participated on the implementation, working with, Org staff.

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MTS - AV: So, as we don't have time for more questions, Susan, can you say which sessions during the week, excluding tomorrow, the newcomers can come and learn how the council works and what is the process and where they can come up with more questions?

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MTS - AV: We have our main council meeting, which is the equivalent of what we would normally do monthly on a phone call. That is on Wednesday afternoon. And it's actually in two parts because this is the AGM. So we have, the first part is our normal order of business.

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MTS - AV: Just the sort of half an hour at the end or so is, electing a new chair. And if the new chair is elected, possibly also appointing the two new vice chairs.

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MTS - AV: There will be a meeting with the board, and I'm struggling to remember when that is. I think that is on Tuesday. They can find it on the schedule. Yeah.

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MTS - AV: Well, in the wider community generally is thinking because people will go to the board to raise their concerns and talk about the things that are most front of mind for them. So sometimes if you have nothing else to do, sitting in the room and listening to people coming in one by one and talking to the board is a really good way to understand what's going on.

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MTS - AV: Thank you, and appreciate your time to be with us here, Susan. Our appreciation and applause is to Susan.

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MTS - AV: Thank you very much. And if you'll apologize, I am going to run off, because my intellectual property constituency, which is the part that I'm in, they're having their meeting now, so I have to go and join them.

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MTS - AV: contracted and non-contracted, and we will now move to one of the non-contracted groups, which is ISPCP, and my pleasure to introduce you, Philip, the chair of this group, and the Vice Chair Lars, who will be joining us remotely.

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MTS - AV: Lars, can you hear us? I will give the floor to you to, give the overview of ISPCP, and then we will open the floor for, for the questions.

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MTS - AV: And this is the… something which you can see that ICANN is not… ICANN community not only works when we meet in person. People, those who are joining us virtually and working online, they also.

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Lars Steffen: Thank you very much, thank you. So, first of all, even though that Susan just left the room, thank you for, introducing.

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Lars Steffen: Yes, I'm participating remotely. Maybe I'm not the perfect example, because for me, it's, I think, the first ICANN meeting in more than 10 years that I'm not attending in person, so thank you very much for having me remotely.

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Lars Steffen: As just mentioned, I'm Lars, Lars Steffen, I'm the Vice Chair of the ISPCP, the Internet Service Provider and Connectivity Provider Constituency, and like every constituency, as you have seen on the first slide, we also have a website.

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Lars Steffen: So if you visit ispcp.info, which I share also on the chat, there you will find all the information that I'm sharing with you today, and of course.

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Lars Steffen: When I'm not at ICANN, I'm the head of Digital Infrastructure and Resilience at ECHO. It's the Association of the Internet Industry. We are based in Germany, but we also have members all across Europe, North America, and as well as global reach with members in more than 60 countries.

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Lars Steffen: And I'm also the current Vice President of EuroISPA, the European Umbrella Association of National ISP Associations, which is the world's largest association of ISPs, so we count around 3,300 ISPs from the respective European countries.

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Lars Steffen: So, we are already at the next slide. So, here at ICANN, the ISPCP… and no, yeah, exactly. Please, thank you. So, here at ICANN, the ISPCP has been around since 1999, so we've been part of the community for quite a long time.

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Lars Steffen: And if you take a look at the ISPCP Charter, which you can find on our website, you will get a good idea of who our members are. So, according to the Charter.

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Lars Steffen: Our members are ISPs and connectivity providers that operate internet backbone networks, or provide access to internet users and other providers. So this includes ISPs that provide connectivity to homes and to businesses, and also

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Lars Steffen: exchange points operators. So, if you take a look at our membership list, which you can find on our website, you will see that we have around 60 members, and our membership is quite diverse, both geographically and in terms of size, ranging from small organizations and very large corporations.

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Lars Steffen: Our members also include a number of ISP associations, so as you can see, I'm here as a representative of an industry association.

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Lars Steffen: that, represents a number of ISPs, but also, Eko is the sole shareholder, of DKICS, which is the world's largest infrastructure provider for, for internet exchange points. So.

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Lars Steffen: I can participate in both capacities. Within the ICANN structure, the ISPCP, as we've just learned from Susan, belongs to the GNSO, the Generic Name Supporting Organization.

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Lars Steffen: And, the GNSO consists, of two houses, so as you've learned, the contracted party house and the non-contracted party house, and the ISPCP belongs to the non-contracted party house. And, the non-contracted party house, as you've seen on the slides that Susan shared with us.

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Lars Steffen: to further groups, the commercial stakeholder group and the non-commercial stakeholder group, and ISPs, corporations and industry associations, we belong to the commercial stakeholder group.

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Lars Steffen: So if you look at the distribution of seats on the ICANN board, for example, you will notice that the GNSO has two board seats in total, so this means that we need to work with other constituencies within the GNSO

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Lars Steffen: Yes, thank you for, moving on to the, to the next slide. So, so what is the ISPCP's mission within ICANN? So, in general terms, we are here to represent, of course, the interests of our members, and, to contribute to the multi-stakeholder model.

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Lars Steffen: He's from Orange, and I'm the current vice chair. As you've just learned, Santanu, who is also in the room, it's also good to see you. He's a member of the… of the XCOM.

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Lars Steffen: to the NOMCOM. And together, we also form the credentials committee, so when we receive applications from prospective members, we jointly do the assessment against our membership criteria and support

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Lars Steffen: So, the good thing is, participation in the ISPCP is free, so if you meet the membership criteria, there are no other fees involved. So, if you are interested in participating in the ISPCP, please reach out to us after the session, both remotely through our website, or please, contact my colleagues who are in the room.

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Lars Steffen: Our day-to-day work runs primarily through mailing this. I think that's the that's the the same for many other constituencies.

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Lars Steffen: And we hold monthly community meetings via Zoom, like here now, and we try to rotate meeting times throughout the year to make participation as fair as possible across the different time zones, because ICANN… so, the internet, ICANN, and everything that belongs to it is global, so we try to

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Lars Steffen: that relate to the stability and security of the DNS because that's our main interest for from the perspective of internet service and connectivity providers.

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Lars Steffen: Because we deliver the basic infrastructure of the internet, including fiber networks in the ground, many of the services that build on top of them, and most ISPs, for example, operate resolvers for the DNS.

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Lars Steffen: And through this, we represent one of the key touchpoints of the ecosystems that you meet here at ICANN. And of course, when participating in those policy development processes, our main objective is to reach

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Lars Steffen: what does our basic processes look like? And it's pretty straightforward and simple, so when a new PDP is launched, we first meet and decide whether we would like to participate or not. And when…

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Lars Steffen: Final votings, on the positions, the publication on the website, the submission, to the, to the public comments, etc, etc.

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Lars Steffen: And this slide also provides an overview of some of the most recent policy statements, when we go to the next slide, that we are currently working on, just to give you, an overview.

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Lars Steffen: what is, within the scope of the, of the ISPCP. So, our main topics, so I just, put on the slide, the contributions that we made throughout this year, is.

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Lars Steffen: Well, as you might have already heard, in the GNSO, but all over ICANN, people are discussing the topic of DNS abuse, and of course, the ISPCP is participating in this.

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Lars Steffen: Because we are often on the front lines where DNS abuse, such as phishing, malware, but also botnets affect the internet users and our networks as operators.

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Lars Steffen: Although, we don't necessarily control the domain names that are involved, we play an important role in detecting threats, mitigating their impact, and collaborating with registries, registrars, and hosting providers, and security organizations. And our goal is to make DNS abuse mitigation more effective.

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Lars Steffen: where universal acceptance can become a reality and should become a reality. So we advocate practical implementation guidelines, measurable progress, and greater attention to emerging challenges, such as AI systems that may not correctly handle

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Lars Steffen: So, the internet has evolved dramatically since ICANN was established many years ago, and with AI, satellite connectivity, new digital identifiers, and other emerging technologies.

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Lars Steffen: So we advocate for timely and comprehensive structural review of ICANN, supported by more efficient, transparent, and result-oriented review frameworks that enable ICANN

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Lars Steffen: need not only governance and policy expertise, but also a sound understanding of internet infrastructure, DNS operations, cybersecurity, and emerging technologies, so that we also have the technical expertise represented in those bodies. So we advocate for a transparent, fair.

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Lars Steffen: We already, so, or Susan already touched upon, other issues that are also currently discussed within, the GNSO, which is the new GTLD program, which we focus on, as I just, mentioned, through, universal acceptance, for example.

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Lars Steffen: Or is it now called the Standardized System for Access and Disclosure of Registrant Data? And in general, across all topics, the ISPCP brings a consistent perspective, so internet governance.

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Lars Steffen: must be informed by the operational realities of network providers and infrastructure providers that keep the internet running, and we want ICANN policies to be technically sound, operationally feasible, and developed through a meaningful multi-stakeholder collaboration. And our contribution is to bring

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Lars Steffen: the gap, to bridge the gap between policy discussions and their practical consequences for internet operators, businesses, and users worldwide. And this is what makes the ISPCP, we think, an important voice within the ICANN ecosystem, and why we welcome newcomers.

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Lars Steffen: want to help shape the future of the internet. So, if you think you would like to be part of this, please, contact us after this session.

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Lars Steffen: The next slide, please. Because, as every constituency and every, membership-based organization.

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Lars Steffen: We can never have enough members, so it's always good to have new faces, new views, also new opinions, and to welcome to our constituency, because the broader our membership is, the more views that we can reflect, discuss.

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Lars Steffen: and include in our work, the better, because, as just mentioned, the internet and ICANN are global, and this is also why we would like to see as much participation as possible, not only as members, but also reflected in our policy work.

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Lars Steffen: Next slide, please.

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Lars Steffen: As you can see, we have two sessions in the next week where you are more than welcome to participate in.

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Lars Steffen: and to get to more… and learn more about our work. So the first one is our usual ISPCP membership work session, which is public. It will take place on Tuesday. I just shared the…

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Lars Steffen: So you can find the date, the time, and also the room where it will take place. I see that SANTANU just shared on the chat the direct link to the agenda.

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Lars Steffen: We will discuss common mistakes in DNS configuration and their impact on the infrastructure, not only of ISPs, but including them. So the speakers will be Peter, he's from DESAC, he's also from

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Lars Steffen: as speakers representing the ASAC, and of course, my colleagues, who are also with you in the room, will be there. And, with this, also taking a look at the time, I would like to, open the room, and I'm happy to take any questions. Thank you.

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MTS - AV: Thank you, Lars. It was very interesting presentation, and we have probably time for one or two questions. I will go to the guys over there. Remy, please go ahead.

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MTS - AV: For the record, Surami Nwake, I'm a fellow for… I can… it is 7.

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MTS - AV: Thank you, Lars, for the presentation. I just want to find out, in your, presentation, you…

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MTS - AV: Name the number of officers you have.

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MTS - AV: I think I didn't get to see the membership coordinator or credential or something.

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MTS - AV: That's just by the way. Then I want to find out if community network operators who also provide services.

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MTS - AV: If not, why not? Thank you.

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Lars Steffen: So, thank you for the question.

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Lars Steffen: In… so the… so the two positions that you've seen on the slide, yes, we don't have specific individuals attached to those functions in our structure, but as described, those functions are operated through the executive committee as a joint effort.

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Lars Steffen: But if you would like to join the ISPCP and fill one of those seats, you're more than welcome. Coming to your second question, so if you're operating

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Lars Steffen: the infrastructure, by yourself, and with this, you would be eligible as an internet service provider, or an access provider, or connectivity provider.

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Lars Steffen: just from a distance, I would say, yes, you would be eligible in joining the ISPCP. We have a form for this on the website, so if you're interested, feel free to.

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Lars Steffen: to send in an application, and then Philippe, my colleague's in the room, and I will take a look at it. So… but maybe my colleagues would like to chime in if I had forgot anything.

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MTS - AV: Yes, please, Philip, please go ahead. Thank you, Siranish. And then hi, everyone. I'm Phil Fukam, the ISPCP chair.

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MTS - AV: I guess the… it's difficult to answer precisely to your question. It really depends on what you mean by… by a community network operator. If you operate as a… as a private structure.

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MTS - AV: by all means, please send an application and we'll review them, and we can discuss the criteria with you moving forward. Hope that's helpful. Thank you. Thank you. I know I'm not giving the floor to those who already asked several questions during today, but…

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MTS - AV: a non-profit organization trying to provide internet in the remote areas of Indonesia. So my question is.

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MTS - AV: do I… do ISPCP, know the initiatives by… I think it's APC and LockNet in several, regions across, the world, about the CCCI.

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Lars Steffen: So, as far as I know, we are not directly in contact with this initiative already, but more than happy to change this and to have a conversation and to learn, because even though that our membership criteria says that we accept membership from ISPs.

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Lars Steffen: and connectivity providers, it doesn't say anything about the level of commercial interest behind it. So, I'm happy to have that conversation.

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MTS - AV: Okay, thank you. I just want to say that the CCCI, I mean, is the Community Center Connectivity Initiatives. That's it, thank you.

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Lars Steffen: Thank you, and if any one of you could share the link on the chat, for example, I think that would be very helpful.

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MTS - AV: Thank you so much for this opportunity to ask question. For the record, I am Sadiq Chasilwal from Nepal with Fellowship Program. So, my question is, what is the take of ISPCP on the national jurisdiction.

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MTS - AV: approaches, such as alternative routes, or national internet gateway, or domestic DNS requirement, as the ISPCP mission is to the globally connected internet, and this

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Lars Steffen: for strong encryption. We are advocating for, non-DNS or IP blocking, if it's… if we can't, have other measures in place who, that.

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Lars Steffen: depending on the specific case where you would like to use those measures that are more helpful to achieving the goals that you would like to achieve. So, long story short, any intervention that is jeopardizing the stability and the security of the internet infrastructure and the DNS

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Lars Steffen: that's… those are the general, guard rates of the… of the work of the ISPCP. But, of course, from time to time, we have to acknowledge what is going on on national levels, where we…

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Lars Steffen: don't have further outreach or impact on. But I'm happy to hear the views of my colleagues who are in the room as well.

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MTS - AV: Although 25 years ago, we started off pretty much as an overlay in terms of the tension with the national jurisdictions. I think it's fair to say that these days, we have to sort of accommodate a balance between the policies that are global with the national.

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MTS - AV: regimes under which we, as ISPs and operators, operate. And, we are sort of, by design, good law-abiding people.

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MTS - AV: wherever we operate, we don't necessarily take a position. We, as Lars said, strive for a one worldwide internet, as the saying goes. But, whether that's about, in the WHO is.

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MTS - AV: privacy, for instance, data privacy, as opposed to those that would apply globally. That's a balance, and you're right, we're probably

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MTS - AV: Within this community, one of those players that are most aware of that that tension.

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MTS - AV: So that's… it's very timely, especially in these interesting times that we go through these days. Thank you.

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MTS - AV: Thank you, and, actually summing up this, if you are a service provider, connectivity provider, ISPCP is open for membership, and they need your, participation. Join this team, join this group, and make

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MTS - AV: make your input within this community. I also would like to thank ISPCP members who joined today's session. Lars, thank you very much for being with us and covering ISPCP activities, and thank you, Philip, also joining.

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MTS - AV: us here in person. So these are the people who you know already, whom to approach and whom to ask questions.

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MTS - AV: With that, I would like to let you know that we are closing this session, and our next session will take place in At-Large Room, which is Nusanantara 2.

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Lars Steffen: Thank you.

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Lars Steffen: Thank you. You're more than welcome, thank you. Thanks for having me, and thank you for the great questions today.

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